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Recruiting: Editors [Open], Cleaners [Open], & Typesetters [OPEN]

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At the moment we're looking for EXPERIENCED editors only!
Please be DEDICATED. Don't apply if you don't think you'll have the time to do it.
To be an editor you need to know what an editor means.
See this tutorial: The Idiot's Guide to Editing Manga
An editor doesn't fix spelling and grammar mistakes, that's the proofreader's job. As an editor you'll need to clean the raws and put the english text on them.

>CLICK ME for the cleaners test< [OPEN]

 

Old version (.doc instructions)
>CLICK ME for the cleaners test< [OPEN]


You have to read the following BEFORE you start the cleaner test.

First, before you begin cleaning, you need to duplicate background and have separate leveling.

Duplicate_and_Level.png


First, select background then right "duplicate layer." You will do all of your work in "Background copy."

Duplicate.png


Next, click the half white/black circular thing and select "levels".

Level.png

You never know, we might just fail you right away if we do not see those in your test.


>CLICK ME for the Typesetter test< [OPEN]
You have to read the following BEFORE you start the typesetter test.

 

 


Here is a typesetting guide. Whether you're new at it, or have been typesetting for a long time, please read this, because as a QCer, I see many of these mistakes still being done.

What your settings should be:
To avoid this:

Skyhigh_Shinshou_v1_ch1_pg003_%5BEvil_Fl



Make sure your settings are set to the following –

Character%20setting.png
Menu%20Bar.png


Keep text as smooth, unless otherwise stated.

Centering the text:
This is one of the biggest problems. If the text is not centered, it ruins the scanlation, no matter how well the page is cleaned.
Examples of non-centered text:

i%C3%9D%E2%82%ACMC%C3%9D%C2%A7OC%C3%9D%C
DTM_v3_ch14_pg010_%5BEvil_Flowers%5D.png



Examples of centered text:

i%C3%9D%E2%82%ACMC%C3%9D%C2%A7OC%C3%9D%C

Iinchoul%20no%20Himegoto_v02_ch05_p009.p

DTM_v3_ch14_pg010_%5BEvil_Flowers%5D%20f



Using the text box rather than the text lines helps center the text within the bubble to a relative shape.

Centering.png



Also. Keep the text CENTERED within the bubble. It should not be TOUCHING THE BUBBLE, OR BE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THEM. Please please, remember that. I've seen a lot of people placing the text where it touches the bubble.

Text "Stacking" and how to avoid it -

Before:
Oboreru_Knife_v03_ch09_p033_%5BKP_EF%5D.

After:
Oboreru_Knife_v03_ch09_p033_%5BKP_EF%5D%



Stroking Text which is not on White Background:
Highlight Text, then go to Layer --> Layer Style --> Stroke. Choose 2-3 px (whichever makes it prominent enough and looks better) and the color white (unless text is white, in that situation, use black).

Tildes and Dashes-
Right, so say you have to input some dashes (-) or tildes (~) to emphasize your typesetting.
Oftentimes, the original Japanese text has a horizontal line or really long tilde that isn't really imitable in English, right?
Wronnnnng~~~~~
So I've figured out a way to do this without pain-staking cloning or drawing.

For example, your lines may look like this at first:

tildedashes.png


To fix that error, you must change the width of space between each dash/tilde.
You can do that by dragging the slider on this box:

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The higher you go, the more space. The lower you go, less space. I usually just use about -200.
You can type that in, or hover your mouse over the "AV" and drag it.
In the end, you should get something like this:

dashestildes.png



Font Sizes –
Do not make the text too large, so it looks overbearing for the bubble.

RnA_v2_ch6_pg005_%5BEvil_Flowers%5D.png



Don't be afraid to go small with your text size. See how it gets centered as well with the size changing?

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Keep in mind that these bubbles are created for JAPANESE CHARACTERS.
They fit into this sort of box shape, all the characters. Unlike English lettering, which is all different shapes and sizes.
So the bubble size can be really really small. Be careful!
And is it is really really small, feel free to stroke it if it goes outside the bubble. (Sometimes it HAS to be outside the bubble, otherwise it’s not readable)

SFX:
SFX, when translated and thus typesetted, can also help in determining how good a page looks.
Honestly, the importance of SFX depends on whether or not the reader even cares to look at SFX (varies person to person ofc); but for quality purposes, we will automatically assume that the reader looks at the SFX.
When typesetting SFX, use whichever font that fits closely to the original in the raws.

If the SFX is thin and spindle-y, your font should be the same.
If the SFX is bold and large, your font should follow suit. Etc.

grabsfx.png

bamsfx.png



Screentones and text-wrapping:
Screen tones are found here.
Unzip the screentones on your computer (the password is on the site) to a place where you can easily access them.
You don't exactly need them all as just a typesetter, but they come in handy.
To use screentones on your text, choose Blending Options (or the thingy that gets you to Stroke and whatnot).
Find the checkbox that says "Pattern Overlay..."
From there, you should be able to see a list of patterns (default is a sort of bubble pattern).
Click the drop-down arrow, then there should be another arrow. Click that and choose load patterns.
From there, you can select your pattern(s) and use them on your text. Add a stroke, and voila!

screentones.png



As for Text-Wrapping, all typesetters should be familiar with this method.
Text Wrapping can be accessed by typesetting something, and while that layer is still selected, look in the upper tool bar (menu bar) and click on the "T" with the upside down "U" underneath it.
Or just right click on the image. 8D

Fonts:
Do not use the same font for everything (Dialogue, Thoughts etc.)

Example:

Iinchoul%20no%20Himegoto_v02_ch05_p005.p



See how much better it looks like this?

Iinchoul%20no%20Himegoto_v02_ch05_p005%2



Fonts to be Used: (Unless specifically stated in Editing thread)

Dialogue: Wild Words 12-14 px #000000
Thoughts: Zud Juice 12-16 px #666666
Narration: Felt 14-18 px #000000
Small Text: Augie 12-14 px #000000 (#666666 when in thoughts)
Uncleaned SFX: Comic Book Commando 14-18 px #000000

OR

¤For Bubbles: Wild Words (Bold or italic.)
¤For out of bubble thoughts: Usually Segoe Print or Felt.
¤Boxes: (For thoughts) Segoe Print or Felt. (For extra information) Manga Temple.
¤SFX: Anything closest to the raw text (Trashhand, augie, another, bigfish ensemble etc.)
¤Smaller text or Extra text: Augie.

Size may depend on bubble, stroke when needed.

Download this font-pack: http://www.mediafire...gbvlc2x5d3d5e8k

Non-photoshop users: Save the text as layers, so they can be corrected when needed.

Renumbering pages:
If the pages are named like “25A, 25B” and such, NOT in serial, then rename them “001, 002, 003”. However, if they go accordingly to the chapter/volume page numbers (045, 046, 047, […]), there is no need to rename them.

Text MUST be above level.

Text_Above_Level.png

 


Please read the instructions in this first, then send it to us by email or leave a post here. You can upload archived the files (zip or rar) in either MediaFire or Dropbox.

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I'd like to apply as an editor (as a typesetter). I have some small experience, being in three groups, but I'm afraid I'm still a newbie. 99.gif I'm willing to learn though...whatever it takes to become a master at it lol

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The masters always start at the beginning. Why don't you take the test first then I will train you from there?

Being in 3 groups, are you sure you will be able to typeset for us? That sounds like a lot to me.

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Note: As someone who was previously in 3+ groups, I don't recommend joining another one even if you do have a lot of free time. Once you get busy, you're not going to be able to keep up with all your work in those groups. I was only able to stay in all my groups for about 2-3 months before "retiring" one by one...99.gif

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Hey, I'd like to help with Evyione as a cleaner. (I'm not that good with type-setting.)

 

I have previous experience, too. Thanks. ~

 

 

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Hi there! I wanted to post here and ask a few things (and present my case) before applying for a position. Basically, I didn't want to apply if it would upset someone.

 

It says that the group is still looking for a Cleaner/Editor for Kaze Hikaru, and I would be very interested in helping with that project as it is my absolute favorite Shojo manga, and it would be an honor to help bring it to other people.

 

However, I'm new to Editing/Cleaning, and while it says you guys don't want newbies, I thought I'd plead my case.

 

First of all, I taught myself how to use Paint Shop Pro at twelve years old, and did a fairly good job of it. I also taught myself web-site coding (HTML & CSS), Photo Shop, and general computer maintenance. Because of my ability to teach myself things & learn from the internet, I believe I'm more than capable of learning the skills needed as an Editor/Cleaner. I've already been pouring over everything on Editing I can find online and have learned much in just a few days. I also have obsessive compulsive disorder, which makes me very, very aware of little imperfections in pages, even in official, paid manga. I'd also like to note some of the tools/skills I have at my disposal that I think make me capable of doing the job:

  • I've been working with graphics programs heavily for around 12 years. I started on Paint Shop Pro, but swapped between PSP and Photo Shop depending on my needs. I've used Photo Shop exclusively for the past few years.

  • I own a Wacom (graphics tablet) & can use that for various needs in cleaning, redrawing, etc. I think it would also allow me to put some nice touches on special effects. I actually drawn anime/manga style characters on my computer. So, I think what I've learned from drawing myself will help me be diligent and precise when touching up pages. I also think that my tablet will help since instead of drawing with a mouse, I'm basically drawing with a pen.

  • I'm a complete perfectionist. While I can't promise that my work would be perfect, as I said, I'm obsessive compulsive, and I'm never more OCD than I am about my own graphic work (as I mentioned, I draw anime/manga style characters, although I'm always still learning and improving. I also do pixel art and light graphic design), so I can promise I would give 150% to this project. As I said, it's my favorite Shojo manga, and as such, I hold it in such high esteem, far beyond my own work.

  • I have multiple sclerosis, and because of this I can't work. I won't get into the details (However, I promise I'm not just a leech. I'm trying to find treatment that works so I can finish college). However, this means I'm at home, constantly. I have A LOT of free time to dedicate to the project, so I won't be limited on time and won't have to try and fit it into my schedule. I can make the project a priority, and can get chapters finished in a thorough, precise, timely fashion.

So, in closing, I am basically asking if you would consider an inexperienced Editor/Cleaner if I can prove that I have the ability (I'd be more than willing to provide sample pages I've worked on while learning, as well as take the tests).

 

I also wanted to ask how exactly the group defines "Editing". I've found groups that consider an Editor the same as a Cleaner, but without Typesetting. From my understanding, what you are all looking for is someone to do pretty much everything listed in the "Idiot's Guide to Editing Manga" from prepping and cleaning, to editing and typesetting, correct?

 

For the record, I am more than willing to all of those jobs, and after reading through the different How-To's and guides on many pages, I really think I can do the job. But, I wanted to be sure before I submitted an application, as I don't wish to be rude or make anyone upset.

 

Also, while I really want to work with Kaze Hikaru as I'm so passionate about the series and know it so well (I would feel comfortable as an Editor because I know the style of the graphics and whatnot), I did notice that the group is still looking for a translator for KH. So, if you are willing to let me be an Editor/Cleaner, I'd be willing to work on another project (I don't know any of the other series, but I'd be willing to learn about them) to work on that as well, while the group tries to find a translator for KH. I'd also be willing to work on KH & another project if asked. I'm very passionate about manga in-general, as my "dream job" is to be a Manga-ka.

However, I'm American and OEL manga isn't very popular, so that will probably never happen. 95.gif

 

Thank you for your time and consideration. Arigatou!

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Some of us have free time right now and can train you if you think you're inexperience. For the moment, we don't have a translator for KH yet, but I'm sure Tessa can come up with something. Please take the test located on the first post. Also, I would consider reading these guides beside the one you mentioned.

 

http://senbonzakura.kageyoshi.net/

http://www.deathsvertigo.com/dp_scanlations/tutorials/cleaning.php

http://www.deathsvertigo.com/dp_scanlations/tutorials/fm_tutorial/intro_to_editing.php

 

Feel free to stop by our Chatango if you have any questions.

http://evilflowers.chatango.com/

 

Good luck!

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In the instructions for the cleaner test, it refers to 'HQ' and 'MQ' raws. What does this mean? I know it's not completely relevant to the test, but I would like to know.

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In the instructions for the cleaner test, it refers to 'HQ' and 'MQ' raws. What does this mean? I know it's not completely relevant to the test, but I would like to know.

 

These are listed in order of base criteria. Lower quality will only meet the first couple points while higher quality will meet them all.

 

  • Pages are white (not yellow, pink, or gray)
  • Edges of the page are not visible (no black lines around edges of page)
  • Japanese text is fully removed (not just written over in English)
  • Page is properly leveled (not overleveled)
  • Black areas are fully black
  • White areas are fully white
  • Borders are redrawn
  • Line art is clear and unbroken (not blurry)
  • Gray areas are uniformly solid or patterned (not blurry or distorted)
  • Text outside of bubbles has been removed and the picture redrawn
  • White line art and details are redrawn if needed

Of course there are many degrees of meeting these criteria. Black areas can be mostly black or gray areas can be fixed up but not redrawn.

The sizes for the scans are also relevant, which is why we use different measurements for different quality raws :)

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Hey all;

What kind of workload are we talking about here? I could probably handle about 200 pages a month (more after I become acclimated),that is cleaning, redrawing, proofreading and editing (I have a full time job so I can't do more then that right now, lest you got cha-ching, kidding).

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200 pages a month 46.gif apply apply!!! the workload isn't that bad because it usually depends on how many projects you take and yup. we do let people work at their own pace but we do have occasional deadlines for big releases such as christmas or new years. please apply xD.

 

btw 36.gif XD

Edited by Joey

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Um, for the editor position, I was only looking to apply for typesetter as that's the only thing I know how to do, but um...do I need to know how to do both to get this position? oni100 I'm really interested in the typesetter job, but not the cleaner job as I have no experience in that position. oni66

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Um, for the editor position, I was only looking to apply for typesetter as that's the only thing I know how to do, but um...do I need to know how to do both to get this position? oni100/> I'm really interested in the typesetter job, but not the cleaner job as I have no experience in that position. oni66/>

 

Hi soysuva,

 

No, you don't have to know how to do both cleaning & typesetting to apply. In the first post, you'll find a separate test for Cleaners & Typesetters. You have the option to do either one of them or both :D

 

Good luck!

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I feel really stupid right now, but... where's the editor's test? I saw the cleaner and TS-er ones, but I could not find the editing test. I feel like the answer must be right under my nose, so could someone just link me or something? I'd really like to help out! : D

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The editor's job is broken up into two stages: cleaning and typesetting. Some people prefer to be only cleaners or only typesetters. If you can do both then you are an editor :)

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Excuse me please :D/> I would like to apply as a typesetter and a cleaner?

I've been experienced with photoshop since 2010? so I would gladly share my skills with you.

Here are some I edited :DD

Hopefully I'll pass

They are .rar files that contain the jpeg and psd file of the photo I edited

 

Cleaner test

Typesetter test

Edited by Cheesecake
Please read the Nov. Rose's post below.

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Excuse me please biggrin.gif I would like to apply as a typesetter and a cleaner?

I've been experienced with photoshop since 2010? so I would gladly share my skills with you.

Here are some I edited :DD

Hopefully I'll pass

They are .rar files that contain the jpeg and psd file of the photo I edited

 

Cleaner test

Typesetter test

 

Please use OUR tests that are on the first post of this thread. Thank you for applying and good luck. biggrin.gif

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All of those in favor of failing those who don't follow in the instructions in the first post, say "Aye."

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Typesetting position is (tentatively) closed for now

we will re-open it if anything changes :3

cleaner and editor is still open~

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Hello fellow mates! I'm a new member and willing to be a cleaner. I've done the tests and posted them on mediafire. Please have a look at them and tell me what you think as I'm still a beginner. <Removed>

Edited by Nekomikoto
Got it~

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Hey, I would really like to help with Keishichou Tokuhanka 007 and Grim Peddler so I want to apply as a Cleaner. I don't have photoshop but only gimp ... I hope that is ok.
Its my first time cleaning manga, but hopefully I can pass the test ... if not than maybe you can tell me what I should work on to improve my cleaning abilities.

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Have a nice weekend.

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Sorry we do not accept gimp :( our group only uses photoshop. I don't really know much about gimp but although the files are indeed in .psd your "level" layer isn't the kind we need. The layers level looks like this: http://screencast.com/t/RWhorhaZyeoZI don't know if gimp supports this but it makes it really hard to fix leveling otherwise. Anyway if you still want to try applying then we will need you to get photoshop...sorry for the inconvenience oni61

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